Do You Know Someone Who Should Not be Driving?

114000 non seniors??

Roadsafetybc is overstepping its authority.

They have been treating people unfairly and acting un-ethically. They have a blatant disregard for the laws of this land and need to held accountable for their actions.

They currently work with no over-sight and no regulating authority over them. They are ruining the lives of innocent hard-working people. And that needs to change.

The actions of the people in this office are in desperate need of scrutiny and correction. At the very least. These people are not acting as the law says they should be.

maybe I'm old fashioned, but if they should expect that they should enforce the law and the people should operate within the boundries of the law, then I don't think it is too much ask that the people should expect them to also act within the boundries of the law, and when they don't, there should be a way for the people to have that expectation enforced.

Is a road test part of the evaluation,I don"t see it listed?

Roadsafetybc does not think that a persons past and present driving record or the results of a road test are necessary in determining a persons fitness to drive and therefore they refuse to take any such data into consideration.

removing a persons licence to drive without considering such criteria would be acting without just cause if that person has no records or signs of dangerous driving and is akin to gross discrimination and Canadian charter rights violations, along with a slew of human rights violations. If doing so results in causing significant irreparable harm to a person, such as in the case of those who use their licences as a career, in this country, it becomes a crime that would see the aggressor facing time in jail. But Roadsafetybc is doing such a thing on an ever increasing basis without having any checks or balances in place to monitor or regulate their activity and nobody seems to give a chit. They just turn a blind eye and say 'thank god that's not me'.

what's it going to have to take before this office, an office that used to demand and get so much reverence and respect from the professional driving community, before it changed its ways without warning or notifying anybody, before it's, if not illegal, immoral and unethical, ways get scrutinized and changed? How many people are going to have to lose their lives needlessly to the wrongful actions of this power drunk office of road safety ignorance is turned around and placed in the right direction once again? What needs to happen before these people see the error of their ways? Innocent people are losing their lives for no reason to this offices flawed and ineffective operating procedures and decisions.

what's it going to have to take? 

There's a useful item on this here website, regarding the Enhanced Road Assessment. Though not all drivers qualify for this.

The people at Roadsafetybc are ill equipped to judge medical fitness for driving to begin with. The fact that they refuse to take a persons driving record into account right from the beginning is the first hint at that.

The fact is, how a person has conducted themselves behind the wheel previously is irrelevant. The question the Examiner has to address is how that driver conducts themself behind the wheel these days.

It's just like Airline Pilots. They don't get any credit for the thousands of hours successfully accomplished in the cockpit; Transport Canada will still insist that they undergo a re-examination every six months in a simulator. (Typically, if they're not successful, they choose to quit there and then, rather than do a re-test later. They're professionals, you see.)

The only way a persons ability to drive safely can properly be determined is by assessing the way they drive. Anything else is just arbitrary discrimination, and removing their licence without using that is without just cause.

Bullshit. That's just your opinion, based on self-justification.

If your license has been revoked without even you being able to undergo a re-test of some kind - be it an ICBC Class 5 road test, or the ERA - whilst your physical condition has not deteriorated, then it would appear that it's for mental health reasons. Please correct me if I'm making a false assumption. People reading this thread and all of your hyperbole thus far can draw their own conclusions.

You are making a false assumption.

True. To an outsider looking in, I'm sure my behaviour does appear and seem to be say, erratic or less than rational at times, and I'll be the first to admit it. And perhaps in that way, my mental health could be said to be deteriorating, but I can assure you, it is not due to any condition for which I have had my licence cancelled. It is more a result of my experiences in the course of attempting to get this rectified and the ever increasing stress load I'm under as I continue to try to keep my property secure, my responsibilities taken care of, food in my belly, and a roof over my head etc under conditions that grow more and more difficult everyday due to my loss of ability to bring in an income. Unfortunately, and I'm very aware of it, the constant anger and frustration in under is resulting in angry inappropriate irrational outbursts from me on a more frequent basis. It's not a normal character trait for me and it is a direct result of what I'm being put through with this. It's very counter-productive.

im not sure what it is that you would like to hear from me... scratch that. See, the cubism of this situation I've been placed in is creeping in once again.  ...what it is that you would like to know without me going beyond my own personal privacy boundries on such a public forum, but essential what has occurred is, a nurse practitioner whom I had been seeing over the course of treatment at the bccancer agency for breast cancer, in what I am assuming is an act of malice, only because I have an overwhelming amount of coincidental facts that seem to lead one to that conclusion, in lieu of any other rational explanation, grossly breached my confidence in her by reporting personal information I had divulged to her for the purpose of ensuring my best informed care for cance from my related caregivers. And for no other reason.

The information was a year old when she decided to use it against me and, in that year, was never a topic of discussion or problem. Incidentally though, her sudden need to make a report of it to Roadsafetybc, after not expressing any concerns to me for an entire year about it, just happened to coincide with the release of a report into an investigation by the college of physicians and surgeons into a complaint I made about the quality of care I'd received from a couple of her close colllegues that sided in my favour, along with a stay of proceeding requested by crown in the strangest of criminal trials myself and my defender lawyer had ever seen where I found myself on trial facing criminal charges for a crime that never happened, I never did, and no evidence existed. It was really weird. Anyhow... at the time it really was a mystery for why it was happening at all. It came out in a secondary report later from the college that it occurred as a result of a call made by one of the surgeons I'd reported to the college, in hindsight, I did get arrested shortly after I'd filed that first report to the college.

and the snowball has continued to roll over me a multitude of times, each time heavier than the last, since then. Metaphorical speaking.

I hope that answers your question. I know it's not an answer, but the truth is, I have no answer to give you. But I'd like to have one.

Thank you Tim for extending me this opportunity btw.

Thank you for your advice. It is some of the most useful I have received and I will follow it immediately in the exact manner you suggest. The answer is no to everyone of those questions.

Very helpful. Thank you. In addition to the nature of my problem, the Roadsafetybc adjudicator has made a demand for an assessment which, initially, sounds simple in its scope, but, in practice, has proven to be impossible to attain. I have talked to literally hundreds it seems, of experts amd specialists in the particular field, some of them many times over, in this province now and not one of them can or knows how to do an assessment of the nature being demanded. Roadsafetybc has repeatedly refused to send me to a place of their choice or tell me who to approach for it. Any requests to elaborate on the information they are requesting, by anyone, not just me, is met with the hard line of 'the information required in the adjudicators letter is clear' and a person is directed to refer to the last adjudicators letter and that is it. No other questions are answered. But if the information was that clear, then people would not be confused and asking for more clarity.

This has been going on since Oct 2019 with three different letters from the same adjudicator with each consequetive one changing slightly in its demands with the last one being received in Feb 2020 followed up a few days later by a letter that looks more like a template than a official letter stating my licence had been canceled demanding I send my licence to the address given on the letter where the only address that can be found on it is my own. I began to think that the whole process was a fraud. An elaborate sick joke. But a quick check of my abstract shows that my licence most definitely reads 'canceled'.

Over my career I have had the pleasure of dealing with the Office of the Superintendant of Motor Vehicles on numerous occasions. Every time the information they were requiring was very specific and clear and any inquiries were met immediately in a professional and direct manner. I have in the past received letter from adjudicators on the Superintendants behalf and their decisions were clearly laid out with the reasons for which clearly given and the points of law and regulations under which they were made given and explained.

But I have never seen anything like this were everything is done in secret and I have been denied participation and information. Roadsafetybc still to this day has refused to tell me what 'nurse' it is that issued a report to them about me. And, in fact, at the very beginnining, attempted to insinuate, along with the nurse I expected it was, that it was  a different nurse working in a whole other division, when I inquired of them who it was. It was only after the vancouver patient quality care review folks assertained it was the nurse I suspected that I knew for sure. And I only ever got to find out what the contents of her report was after a second inquiry through the freedom of information act was made by a lawyer who temporarily agreed to help me in July 2020. Roadsafetybc still refuses to tell me the content or the nurses name.

Roadsafetybc has officially told me that I am no longer allowed to talk to them directly, and will not return my calls when I leave my number for call back. My emails get returned undeliverable, in fact, any emails I send to any address ending in gov.bc.ca get returned back undeliverable. My calls to any phone number on the governments server go to dead air with me only being able to connect with any particular government number if I go thru the service canada switchboard and request that they connect me to the particular office I am looking to speak to. This has made communications extremely difficult for me.

I hope this clarifies your confusion as to my situation and gives an understanding of my vehemence towards Roadsafetybc adequately. It is only through the good grace of a very understanding landlord that I still have a roof over my head right now.

all I want is my licence back and to left alone by these folks. I don't care what their motivations or reasons are and I don't even care to know. I just want to be able to go on living my life uninhibited by this bullcrap. I've done nothing wrong. I am quite fit to drive and I in fact, have a rather huge respect for Roadsafety and a very disciplined approach towards it in my driving skills and abilities. I find any allegations towards me otherwise to be extremely offensive and insulting. I've been hurt by this whole thing very deeply.

I had a good life before they stepped in and destroyed it for no reason and gave me no way to get it back.

This is the thanks a person gets for dedicating their entire life to risking it everyday so that the ingrates and cretins of this society can feed their faces, clothe their bodies, and put a roof over their ignorant heads convienantly.

I hope something good comes out of what they've done to me, but somehow I doubt it. This society seems too dead set on going down this path of  oppression and enslavement no matter how many people get in its way. Roadsafetybc is so morally and ethically bereft that the devil himself pees himself a bit at the sound of its name.

If you think that taking honest working class law abiding citizens and forcing them to live like criminals and off government assistance by taking away their ability to earn a living, take part in recreational activities enjoyed by the rest of society, or even just travel to other parts of the city or country, and causing them to lose everything they've worked their whole life to gain, for no identifiable or justifiable reason, and giving them no hope of ever getting it back, is in the interests of public safety or public good, your out of your mind.

Destroying a good persons life simply because you have the power to do it is not only morally reprehensible, it's illegal. And wrong. And shouldn't be allowed to continue to happen in this country. Little alone be condoned and applauded such as it has been.

You know what?

I don't give a damn anymore. My life is in ruins. My impeccable reputation has been destroyed. My future is gone. My savings used up. And my relationship with my family has been strained to the point of no contact.

I have been blocked from any contact with any and all government agencies and representatives, related or not to this particular issue, with my emails being returned undeliverable and my phone calls just going to dead air. I am perilessly close to losing everything I've ever worked hard for to attain and I will soon lose the roof over my head. My savings, once enough to enable me to go travelling overseas are gone, and I have no way of being able to secure or keep what I have left save.

and all of this is not because of any kind of failure or wrong doing on my end, except for to say that I trusted in the medical system of this province. An act, which, had I not done, and something went wrong, I would've been on the hook and held liable for rather than the ones who had been treating me. I feel tricked and deceived and used by the medical community. I am damned that I did and I was damned if I didn't. Then along comes the Superintendant of motor vehicles, an office I had complete trust and confidence in to use common sense and fairness in their dealings with me instead go and break all the rules, throw, throw policy and ethics away, and drive the final nail into my coffin by taking away the only tool that I had and know how to use to make myself a living and gather the resources I need to continue fighting this injustice occurring to me and setting out impossible to achieve demands if I am ever going to have a hope of ever getting it back. The licence that is, most of the rest, my reputation, my savings, my planned future, much of my hard earned property, my relationship with my family, at the age of 50, are now gone forever. And they did it to me with our a blemish or sign of dangerous driving on record fro me.

They quite blatantly, literally laughing in my face, point blank told me that a driving record has nothing to do with whether or not a person can drive safely. If you ask me, that makes a mockery out of every aspect of our current system of driving, from drivers licence issuing all the way up to the hiring of the most elite and highly skilled and trained drivers of my trade. If the most important measure, and truly only reliable measure of ones driving skills has nothing to do with gauging ones ability to drive safely, what is? Your ability to beg and plead and kiss the right ass and hand over the right amount of money? It certainly seems to be.

so now, here I am, stuck in this situation, left to die a slow and painful suffering end for no reason, in this country where it's considered to be a heinous crime worthy of the greatest of penal action, for a private citizen to place another private citizen in, unable to find a single god damned person in this god forsaken province to help me get out of, even after I have clearly done everything I could possibly do, and exhausted every last possible resource available to me to use. Instead all I've found is dead ends and doors I would never of expected, slammed and locked securely in my face. Then, just so I get  the message, a boot stomped and left flat on my face.

ask me if I give a chit anymore. Go ahead, ask me. This is how this society treats the people who have fed them and clothed them and kept them save in the face of their own stupidity, recklessness, and ignorance all their life. This is the way our society says thanks is it? If anyone thinks that I'm going to stick around long enough to give these ingrates the satisfaction of sneering at me lying in the street while they drive by splashing puddles in my face, they're going to be disappointed. I'll make sure I don't stick around for them to have that kind of satisfaction.